Alien Flight School Program Question
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Joined 05/12/2020 - 4 Posts
Answered By AOPA
A question came up today which wasn't clear to us whether it would require AFSP registration or not? The exemptions definition was grey for us.

In relation to a pilot that is a foreign national but has already completed their Private Cert and instrument rating under AFSP at a different school. 

If the pilot joins an airplane club. The CFIs at the club think of the club as a flight school for training purposes. Does the 'club check' require another registration under AFSP? the official exemptions include 'Checkride' but we were not sure if a club check would be excluded (which is to see if you can fly safely and not damage the plane but also includes some 'training'). 

We think its excluded but it wasn't clear. Also if the pilot wanted to apply for an AFSP application, there is no easy category to apply under since the pilot already has both private and instrument ratings. 

Sorry if this sounds like garbage, but please ask any clarifications if you need any to be able to answer. 
 
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Joined 01/30/2020 - 37 Posts
AOPA Staff Answer
A review of the AFSP Frequently-Asked Questions webpage indicates that the "club check" would not qualify as a training event requiring TSA approval for aircraft with a max certified takeoff weight of 12,500 pounds or less. Click on the following link and follow the thread titled " For what type of training or rating category should I submit a training event request?"  there is a clear explanation of the type of training activities that do not require TSA notification.
https://www.flightschoolcandidates.gov/home#CandidateQ
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Joined 05/12/2020 - 4 Posts
Thank you for looking that up Prometheus. Very helpful and clear. 

BTW, subsequently we also just got a reply from TSA as follows: 
"If it is in a aircraft you hold a stand-alone FAA certificate for the aircraft type you will not need a training request.  If it is in an aircraft type or a type rated aircraft, you are not already certified for or you could potentially earn a new certification or type rating you will require a training request."
 
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Joined 06/11/2017 - 789 Posts
Habib Makhdum:
BTW, subsequently we also just got a reply from TSA as follows: 
"If it is in a aircraft you hold a stand-alone FAA certificate for the aircraft type you will not need a training request.  If it is in an aircraft type or a type rated aircraft, you are not already certified for or you could potentially earn a new certification or type rating you will require a training request."
 

It is most unlikely that a flying club would have an aircraft which requires a type rating (jet or over 12,500 lb gross weight).  The only other situation I can imagine where the issue would arise for a club is if the club has a twin, and this person who already holds PP-ASEL/IA ratings wants to add a multi-engine rating to their pilot certificate.

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Joined 05/12/2020 - 4 Posts
Thank you Ronald. That’s very helpful. You are correct that there are only small planes at the club. In fact there are no twins so looks like we are good to go. Thanks for the reply! 
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Joined 06/11/2017 - 789 Posts
Habib Makhdum:
Thank you Ronald. That’s very helpful. You are correct that there are only small planes at the club. In fact there are no twins so looks like we are good to go. Thanks for the reply! 

No problem.  The response from TSA was formed by folks who do security for a living, not aviation, and so it's not quite in terminology which makes sense to aviators.  Not to my eighth grade English teacher, either, I'm afraid.  If I'd handed that paragraph to her, it would have come back covered in red corrections.